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I'm a father, grandfather, former journalist, P.R. professional and teacher (14 years, now retired), and currently a reborn writer also on Substack. My longevity (68 years old) and personal and professional life put me in direct view of the issues Haidt, Twenge, Lukianoff, Gray, et. al. have researched and published. In other words, I've seen in real life and real time the destructive behaviors and consequences in young people that their data reflect.

As a teacher I saw what the phones did to my classroom and how it captured my students' most valuable asset: their attention. I saw how adolescent social and learning growth went from free play in the 20th century but moved indoors with the advent of smartphones and social media in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I saw first hand the damaging effects of young people's retreat into social isolation.

It concerns me greatly. I often write about the plight of boys and men in my Quoth the Maven newsletter on Substack (https://jimgeschke.substack.com/p/the-politics-of-boys-and-men). I've seen the problems and am looking at viable answers and, more importantly, how these answers may translate into public policy.

Dr. Haidt writes about banning phones from schools during school hours. A great start. But what else? How can policy influence parenting and curtailment of isolationism and resultant despair of young people? I'm open to anyone's input and hope to write more about this critical issue.

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I'm from EU living in a village with 300 inhabitants. Our elementary school banned phones because things were just getting out of hands. That certainly helped and there was little if any pushback by the parents. But the main burden remains on the parents and their understanding and willingness to endure all the uphill battles.

For example: my 10yo son likes to go hang out in the village soccer field. But many other kids have smartphones and they might just sit there on the bench huddled around the kid with the smartphone. I could nag his parents and demand they don't let their kid hang around with smartphone but the parents might not share the same values or don't have the time or energy to do it. Should I forbid my kid from going out and cut him off from the possibility of free?

There should be a concerted effort by the mental health institutions to give a moral backing to the concerned parents who dare to speak out. Kids using smartphone should be frowned upon as kids smoking. There should be nationally run ads in all types of media.

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We have one grandson who is like that .. all the other kids are fishing & 🎣 he won’t get his head out of the tablet ..

thankfully his parents are aware & the tablet get shut down automatically at certain times ... it’s hard. ..

the newest baby is 2 & can work the tablet better than me 🤪.

But I also remember my GMA screaming that the TV was gonna rot my brain. And boy was she right

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Thank you, Martin, for your comment.

I can empathize with your situation. My son/grandson share your position. Parenting is hard, man. My boys grew up with the advent of video games, but before phones. Smartphones and social media completely transformed the social dynamic. Socialization went from face-to-face to face-to-phone. And the results obviously are not good.

I'm with you 100 percent: responsible parents have to realize the damaging effects of phones and social media and act accordingly. So do schools -- teachers, administrators and districts. So do mental health institutions, as you pointed out.

Thanks again, Martin. You've given me thoughts to consider. I appreciate it.

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Cell phones are addictive. Video games are addictive. China doesn’t allow kids to use their phones and block what they can do with them (but note they are an authoritarian government with greater control over content and access.) when our son was a kid we would try to restrict his phone use, but it became so impossible we had to hide not only old phone, his phone, and all internet connected devices (like laptops) that I finally had to take them out of the house and hide them OUTSIDE somewhere dry! WTF! Those parents, almost all parents, are at their wits end.

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I brought up this tech-isolation & societal corrosion topic to my SDA church. We’re millennial parents, with a baby. Graduated in 2003. Finished college in 2014. No one our age in church. My baby is now the only child in sabbath school. (We’ve posted a personals type ad to find other parents for baby playdates.) I don’t agree that door to door solicitation, and a table at the yearly fair is good evangelizing.

I noted that people our age and younger really DO want community, and are interested in regaining lost skills that helped previous generations save money or keep some independence (cooking, gardening, sewing, home DIY). I explained that home ec & shop has long been gone from most public schools. Many of my gen & younger growing up in broken families. I explained that the older generation has a lot of skills & knowledge to impart if they would be willing to share it with their community. Skills we are losing as a society.

Our church did host a chef that taught a quick course on spices, and the local community was invited. It was PACKED. SDA is known for healthy eating. Despite this, when I ask elders in my SDA church to share some SDA fellowship dinner recipes they balk and tell me there are books I can order online. I wasn’t raised with religion. I had to teach myself to really cook, not just reheat frozen meals at 25. I don’t want a stranger’s recipes. I want my church family’s recipes. 🙄

Most of my church family gardens. It’s a topic they love sharing during potlucks. Many of them also sew or crochet. When I mentioned that we had a good chunk of ground to grow a garden in, and perhaps even offer free gardening lessons & prayer to the community, or perhaps a canning or crochet class. They were defensive. It went nowhere.

(But they’ll get together to make cards for nursing homes & gift bag end-times books with hand stamped bookmarks).

Some church members think that offering community classes is a slippery slope towards losing touch with their purpose as Christians... There is a mega church in town that does more “rock” concerts than sermons, and it’s true that other churches have caught the DEI bug... endorsing the gender drugging & kiddie cutting market, but I wonder WHY there’s a lack of enthusiasm for offering something to the community that improves it.

I get why my generation & younger struggle with maintaining good community social connections, but I don’t know why the older generations are so resistant to trying out solutions to bridge a gap.

They’re the same ones complaining that everyone nowadays is chronically online & indoors.

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What a remarkable post, DJ. And thank you for calling out my generation (Boomers) for failing to address your concerns in building and supporting community. It sort of reminds me of the stories of those who sought out tribal elders for wisdom.

I am an aging (68) widower who happens to be active in volunteerism. But I admit that very few of my male contemporaries do the same. Women my age are active, but many of them focus on animal rights. A noble cause, no doubt. Yet there still remains a void in your area of concern.

I promise to do my part. I am joining the Men and Boys Coalition founded by author Richard Reeves in effort to promote healthy upbringing and mentorship to young males. I wish that more of my male contemporaries would do the same.

Again, thank you for your personal reflection. Your story is valued and has piqued my interest.

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I’ll pray that your efforts are successful and touch many lives.

Thank you for giving back ❤️

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SO wonderful to see that you're reaching out to mentor young males. Its really what we need more these days!! If you look up the statistics for school shootings, the majority the time it's boys and the majority of the time they grew up with no strong male figure in the home. I'm all about strong mom's and I applaud single mom's who are making it work...but we still need our masculine role models. Both boys and girls need that. thank you for your efforts

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Check out the website https://www.everyschool.org/ I am using information from this site to advocate in my district to reduce the use of technology. I think this is just as important as removing phones from schools.

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You are so right .. I love your stuff .. it just stopped coming to my inbox ..

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Thank you, Julie. I sincerely appreciate your support. ;-)

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Dec 31, 2023Liked by Jon Haidt, Zach Rausch

To start 2024 on a hopefully positive note: reading the posts on here about the loss of independence and constant supervision of children inspired me and my wife to let our 9yo go to the shop nearby unaccompanied for the first time.

And, honestly? I hated it, at first. It’s not just children that are anxious compared to earlier generations. But now it seems like second nature and our child is more confident and happy at getting a little independence. And I would credit this substack for getting our family over that initial anxiety.

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This is such a great comment. Yes, parents have been programmed to be more anxious and to doubt ourselves too. Good for you! Your son child will thank you for your courage.

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Dec 31, 2023Liked by Zach Rausch

You'll be delighted to know that the newly elected Coalition Government in New Zealand has announced that legislation will be introduced within the first 100 days banning cell phones from schools. In addition to upgrading my own subscription to After Babel to PAID, I have offered to pay for a subscription for the new Education Minister, Erica Stanford. Happy New Year and thank you for your important work.

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Dec 31, 2023·edited Dec 31, 2023Liked by Zach Rausch

Jon and Zach, thank you for all your great work on this important topic. I have been following Dr. Gray’s substack as well. Zach recently led me to the work of https://www.everyschool.org/ which I am so thankful for. I am sure you have seen the recent JAMA of Pediatric article (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2798256) which has found alarmingly (but not surprisingly) that adolescent screen time has increased 52% globally since the pandemic. I work in a public school and am meeting with administrators next week to present them the information provided on the everyschool website to advocate for a healthier balance of technology in my school district. I believe that removing phones from school as well as significantly reducing the amount of technology used to “educate” would have a significant positive impact on mental health. Mental health and in person social connectedness go hand and hand. Devices and screen time are barriers to children developing social skills and social connections, schools must make the changes. It is predicted that the education technology market will be $404 billion by 2025. Education technology is a huge business but like you said, it will take collective action to advocate for what kids need, I hope to be a part of that group! Happy New Year!

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Huh. Who would have anticipated that closing schools, terrifying children over a pandemic and then forcing them to educate themselves exclusively on screens would have long-term consequences?? I'm sure the experts are "baffled." </sarc>

I am so glad to hear there are people involved in the education system who understand the damaging effects of technology at such a young age. Thank you for your advocacy.

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You're doing excellent work and the following comment is not meant in any way to question that. There is another dimension to this crisis as I see it... the modern phenomenon of over-medicalisation of plain old human happiness/unhappiness....such that it all gets re-labelled as 'mental health'. Is this 'progress'? I don't think so: https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/are-we-making-progress

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Yes! Completely agree with this comment too.

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I think the collapse of a play-based childhood translates to adolescents as well. By "play", I mean unstructured time spend with friends in person without adults present. Everything seems to point to teens recently spending far less time "hanging out" in person. My own experience as a 24 year old has corroborated this. I think people really underestimate how much social isolation causes anxiety. Your brain was wired to crave (in person) contact with others. When you replace this with social media, it just doesn't have the same effect. The anxiety is an "alarm bell" going off in your brain that is alerting you that you need more social interaction (long periods of social isolation were often dangerous for early humans). I think that's part of the reason "self-care" and "mindfulness" have become such a big thing with young people recently. I'm not arguing against the psychological benefits of mindfulness meditation, but so much of this seems to be geared towards helping people "calm down" or become less anxious. That anxiousness, in my view, is caused by social isolation, so these tactics are unlikely to work long-term. I went back home recently and hung out with a friend from high school. We walked around a park by the beach (staring at those massive Southern California waves) and then got lunch and took a hike. We were probably hanging out for 4 or 5 hours. I can't stress how therapeutic this was. In person social interaction (either one-on-one or in a group) brings tremendous positive psychological benefits. Unfortunately, it seems like this has decreased sharply among adolescents from, say, two decades ago.

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In the first episode of season 1 in Stranger Things, we see the friend group finishing up a marathon day of Dungeons and Dragons. I cannot tell you how much the idea appealed to my then 13 year old. He was even more jealous when I told him that, yep, that's how kids of the 80s spent their days. Kids long for this type of loosely structured "hanging out." I would argue that even the "overscheduled" kids trend which preceded the disaster of tech childhood also set the stage for much of what we are seeing now.

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Most mental illness could be drastically curtailed by passing a minimum age requirement for smart phone use.

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And compulsory service of some kind. Doesn’t necessarily have to be the military but some kind of public service would do wonders for people.

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I guess you are either ignorant of the 13th Amendment or don't understand it.

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You must think that we should all be ignorant traitors.

Treason is defined in the Constitution at Article 3, Section 3, as consisting "only in levying War against (the United States), or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

All members of the American military take an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; (and to) bear true faith and allegiance to the same."

When the military is committed to foreign actions without a declaration of war by Congress, as required by Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 11 of the Constitution, that is a violation of the Constitution, arguably the action of domestic enemies.

When a member of the military participates in an unconstitutional foreign military deployment, s/he violates both the Constitution and his/her oath to "support and defend" it, giving "aid and comfort" to it's "domestic enemies," committing treason by the definition given by the Constitution.

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Conspicuous by its absence in Twenge's 13 alternative explanations is the use of neuroleptics, antidepressants etc. Given the historical connection, well documented in the Whittaker's landmark book "Anatomy of an Epidemic", it should at least be addressed. I am glad that new approaches focus on counselling, talk therapy etc. and maybe 'therapy' can be exonerated, but at least address it.

p.s. No one should drop their meds. Work with a clinician to taper.

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I read a very interesting book called ‘Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses’ by Sarah Faye. The part of the book that shocked me the most was the investigation into the genesis of the DSM. The evolution of the tome that mental health professionals rely on, was an even scarier part of the book.

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All new parents should read at least one of these books.

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Excellent, informative, frightening - leavened with a touch of hopefulness. I hadn't read Coddling (book or article) but read the latter today as I read this one. I have long been a fan of CBT, having used it to lift myself out of a suicidal depression 35 years ago - and stay out. I think "structural stupidity" has much in common with Martin Seligman's "learned helplessness." I think a carefully constructed curriculum based on a CBT world view could help turn around this dismal state of fairs in kids -- and we parents. Thanks!

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Thanks for doing all this research on the teen mental health crisis.

I think that you have hit on a really important topic that needs addressing. Hopefully, we can protect the mental health of teens while making them stronger instead of making them more fragile.

The first step is admitting what we are doing now is not working.

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Gen Z’s mental crisis is all our mental crisis, and though Haidt et. al. do yeoman’s work in pinning it to the wall, I’m afraid their data-ridden style of thought is part of the problem, which is why they can’t fix on any persuasive solution.

The technology the children are playing with is a poisoned apple, and the social science methodology Haidt uses to study it part of the witch’s brew that poisoned it. They have a common, deeper source in the fanatical faith in the quantification of reality as the source of Truth.

Such quantification is a tool, no more than that, but these “thinkers” have no other way of understanding anything but their dry and sterile scientism—which, I suggest, is the deeper source our malaise—which we share with the children.

We used to know this; we used to know that poetry, music, art, fairy tales, religion, myth, and all the rest of our mystic ways for negotiating with the untamed forest of our minds were absolutely indispensable to our souls. All these scholars can talk of is our “mental health.” What a desiccated sense of reality! No wonder the children are crying.

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I have watched my kids grow up during the years you are studying and am convinced social media is a big part of how these kids view themselves. It has killed attention spans and created people who need instant gratification. You can see the groupthink effect by those disrupting and rallying for Palestine while also calling for the extinction of Israel. Leaving this up to schools is wrong answer number one. Many of these teachers are the ones indoctrinating our kids creating more confusion in their minds by having them question their biological births. It goes from there to bashing free markets and “colonialism”. These kids grow up knowing one thing and teachers have them questioning everything they were taught at home destroying their foundations. I’m all for teachers raising questions and challenging kids but telling them their parents have been wrong and then keeping what they do in the classroom as secrets and laws being put in place where anything done at school never reaches home is just insane. We shouldn’t be fighting our educators in courts. There was always a joint custody agreement when those kids went to school educators were to do their best teaching our kids what we couldn’t and as parents we tried to give them what we didn’t have. Everything is ass backwards and upside down now. First, Theres no reason a kid needs their phone in school. NONE! We more than survived without them and the “what if there’s an emergency?” Argument is moot as the 2 minutes it takes to call the school and get that child isn’t any extra time where the kid could do anything anyways. Phones should be locked up before they enter school and given back when they exit. NO EXCUSES! I also subscribe to the idea that the teachers union needs to die. I also believe the dept. of education has done nothing for our kids since the 60’s. States are more than capable of setting school agenda and it would create more competition for states to be top 10/5 or the best in the nation. TikTok is a Chinese spy app. The division it has created about every minor issue making them bigger than they should be shows it needs to go. Why are so many people going nuts over Palestine? On Oct 6. 7/8 of the idiots out there couldn’t point to Israel or Palestine on a map. We need a huge reset when it comes to our kids and it starts with changing schools. Get rid of Randi Weingarten and Michael Mulgrew. Kill that Union and allow charter schools and school choice to grow which will make public schools change or die. Inner city kids have almost no chance going to a public school so what are our taxes being wasted on but over inflated budgets that bow to the alter of DEI. This last generation was indoctrinated with the Marxist playbook and we are seeing the results right now. Have to get back to phonics and civics being taught early. I can go on and on but those two subjects especially phonics allows kids to read and points out Learning defects to get kids the help they need earlier.

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Going phone-free in schools is not helpful if all the students are waiting for is to get on their phones for hours on end as soon as the final bell rings.

They aren’t in sports or church or anything other than their phones.

At some point we have to hold parents accountable. I don’t know how.

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Yes, parents MUST be part of the solution, but we also have to start somewhere. Granted, it will be really hard if/when schools implement the "no phone" policy. Kids will struggle. Some will have legitimate withdrawal symptoms. I think they should anticipate meltdowns and outbursts and possibly even violent reactions. This is the mess we've created and now we have to clean it up. I am thankful my four older kids were just enough in front of this wave during their high school years and we were able to keep a smartphone out of their hands until 16 (that was our house rule and looking back, I should have held out longer). We pulled our 5th kid from public school in 4th grade and never looked back. He is now homeschooled and spends about 30 minutes a day on his phone. He was the one to recognize his loss of attention span with increased phone use and he independently decided he didn't like it (we, of course, pointed it out too). We're lucky because HE wanted to change but I know some kids simply can't imagine that right now.

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You wondered why things seem like they’ve been going haywire since the early 2010’s. That’s when I started to notice it, too. Then I did some research and came to the conclusion that Obama and installed to begin the more overt process of the destruction of Western Civilization. No, I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, but everyday it looks more and more like I was right.

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As an educator, I can tell you without reservation that Obama’s administration rolled out the carpet for big tech in classrooms. The day people can stop with identity politics and start holding elected officials accountable for the mess we are in, we will have real change. Until then, we are just drawing in clouds.

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Off topic .. but has anyone noticed the proliferation of wi-fi towers on school properties... I’ve been reading the science & having those towers n school properties can’t be good for those kids

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And the elephant in the room

Is ignored. Guns and the reality kids can be shot anywhere at anytime.

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I’m sure that may be an important factor here in the US. But it would not explain why this phenomena is happening simultaneously in so many other countries around the world, most of which do not have gun laws anything like those in the US.

When I was a child we used to practice nuclear attack drills. I knew that ICBMs were located less than a half days drive from my home and for many years I had a pretty well founded fear of nuclear Armageddon. This did create anxiety perhaps similar in some ways to the real fears that students must feel today with respect to the guns crisis that they are living with.

But while this fear must induce great feelings of anxiety and anger, it does seem qualitatively different to me from the self esteem issues created by trying to fit into an already bewildering social world that has now moved online with features practically guaranteed to isolate children.

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Consider that gun violence is one of the causes of people moving to live virtually.

I disagree that the theoretical fear of Armageddon is the same as watching your peers and others being slaughtered every day and knowing that at any time in any place you can be shot. And guns are the access to power and revenge by the isolated and angry.

War, terrorist attacks, global warming, pandemic are fears piled on top of gun violence for our youth.

It’s a wonder they have any hope at all.

I agree that social media and living in virtual spaces are very destructive.

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Please do not take offense and I am sure this is just an off the cuff post but I think the attitude it represents is a larger part of the problem facing youth than gun violence. So I wanted to point out what I see as the issue.

Guns are a problem, no doubt, but perpetrating the kinds of disempowering myths that lead to nihilism impacting kids today is likely a bigger cause of the issues highlighted in the post.

In 2021 firearms accounted for 19% of youth deaths (0-19), and nearly half of those were suicide. That is about 3600 deaths, far too many but in a county for 330,000,000 million it is hardly a massacre, and on top of that, these number have grown by something like 40% since 2018 (meaning it was much less prevalent when the issue emerged in 2010s). So the trend actually predated the increase...this reduces the likelihood that it is the cause.

In terms of society wide, deaths from firearms accounted for 48830 people in 2021, of those, 54% (26328 deaths) were suicides and about 21k were murders. In contrast over 5x the number of people dies form drug overdoses (106k) compared to murders with a firearm. Again, all of this is very bad, but hardly a reason to alter your life (unless you use drugs like fentanyl or are involved in the kinds of activity that increase your risk of being murders, such as having unstable, criminal associates, engaging in criminal acts, etc....people involved in these activities are at risk...not so much for most kids).

Also, the data I saw went back to 1968 and since that times the likelihood that you kill yourself with a firearm has grown faster than the likelihood that someone killed you with a gun. Again, guns are bad...they make killing yourself easier (in addition to making killing others easier). That said, it would appear that suicides is actually driving the trend more than homicide (at least as of 2021)

Finally, the issues involving youth are, as noted in the article, as prevalent in countries with much lower rates of firearms violence. Meaning that gun violence is a poor explanation...However, I would posit that hyperbolic assessments of the risk youth face and the hopelessness of their lives is a much more likely causal factor.

This is not to say that gun control would not reduce the number of deaths dramatically. So, this is not a pro-gun argument.

Instead, I want to point out that one reason our youth may be so depressed is because adults are continually telling them how hopeless everything is. Guns are "slaughtering" their peers, climate change will cause them all to go extinct, nothing they do matters as it is their race, level of wealth, attractiveness, etc. that will cause them to succeed, not their effort.

Factually, all of the above assessments take an actual problem but proceed to distort it so greatly that it no longer resembles reality. We then push these factually incorrect statements on our kids.

Again, all these issues are real...climate change is a problem, guns are a problem, drug overdose are a problem, being black or short or fat will impact your chances for success....but taking actual risks, greatly exaggerating them and then bombarding kids with how hopeless everything is, likely represents a much larger issue in terms of depression and self-harm in kids.

In the end it is adults misrepresenting and misunderstanding risk, and the media hyping these issues for clicks, that likely drives a lot of the harms caused by social media enabled phones and is probably why adults are so reluctant to let kids engage free play...due to things like "stranger danger," which is also a negligible hyped by adults. So first we exaggerate risk and powerlessness, then we deprive kids of the kinds of activities, such as free play, that might inculcate them against ill effects of the exaggeration of their risks.

Long story short, the problem is probably exacerbated and driven by social media enable cell phones, but the cause is adults inflating risks. It us...not them.

Again, I am sure this does not represent any of your thoughts, but I wanted to use the post because it was a good example of how, even on intelligent and thoughtful forums, we are all subject to these impulses.

I know as a parent, I was as bad as anyone about free play...I got my daughter a German Sheppard so she could walk in the park, that I could literally see from balcony, after dark. So please do not take this as any kind of personal attack or judgement.

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I’ve been researching proliferating 5G towers ... please research this .. it’s really important & not crazy tin foil

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I have a Gen Z kid and he and his friends have never once mentioned fear of getting shot at school. BUT they do talk about the incessant and overwhelming effect of social media and pressure it brings to bear on their every day lives. I'm sure there are some kids sensitive to the threat of gun violence (I really don't want to dismiss those concerns), but I don't think it's as big an elephant as you suggest. I will also add that I wonder about the role of psych drugs in school violence though.

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BS .. kids will kill themselves other ways.

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